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AI and the Law Podcast

In this series, 39 Essex Chambers’ barristers, Katherine Apps KC and David Mitchell interview each other and guests exploring the legal issues raised by AI including what sort of legal regulation is needed, how AI will impact on the legal profession, discrimination challenges, data protection, intellectual property and ownership, contracting issues and the impact on legal education in the future.

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Episode 11 - The Clearview AI judgment: territorial reach and AI regulation

In this episode Katherine Apps KC speaks with Jennie Thelen about the recent judgment of the First Tier Tribunal decision allowing Clearview AI’s appeal against the Information Commissioner’s fine for unlawful data processing for the development, mar... Read more  

Episode 10 - AI, Freedom of Expression and Civil Liberties

In this episode David Mitchell speaks with Barbora Bukovska from international freedom of expression organisation Article 19 about AI, freedom of expression and civil liberties.  David and Barbora discuss the recent European Court of Human rights jud... Read more  

Episode 9 - AI and Intellectual Property

In this episode Katherine Apps KC speaks with Imogen Ireland, Senior Associate at global law firm, Hogan Lovells about AI and Intellectual Property law. Katherine and Imogen talk about who owns and creates AI generated material in copyright law and w... Read more  

Episode 8 - AI in Commercial Litigation Technology

In this episode Eimear McCann, Commercial Director at Trial view, discusses with Katherine Apps KC the uses of AI in commercial litigation software, both to mine large volumes of data and to generate answers, documents such as chronologies and help m... Read more  

Episode 7 - AI and ChatGPT in Law firms

In this episode Patrick Brodie, Head of Employment, Engagement and Equality at law firm, RPC, discusses with Katherine Apps KC the issues raised by use of large language models (LLMs) such as ChatGPT in a law firm environment. Katherine and Patrick d... Read more  

Episode 6 - AI and Legal Education

In this episode Bernie Maier a visiting Professor of Law at Kings College London in Cyberlaw shares his thoughts with David Mitchell on whether the teaching and learning of law will be changed by generative AI and if so, how.  Read more  

Episode 5 - AI and the Law Podcast: AI and discrimination

In this episode Professor Catherine Barnard, Professor of EU and Employment Law at the University of Cambridge discusses with Katherine Apps KC how discrimination claims could be litigated in the context of the use of AI.  Catherine discusses existin... Read more  

Episode 4 - AI and the Law Podcast: The Japanese Perspective

In this episode Michihiro Nishi, a partner at Clifford Chance in Tokyo discusses with David Mitchell his early experience of AI working as a lawyer in Silicon valley. Michihiro goes on to consider some of the current legal issues surrounding generati... Read more  

Episode 3 - AI and Law Podcast: Regulation and AI

In this episode Baroness Shami Chakrabarti CBE, former director of Liberty and former Labour Attorney General 2016-2020, discusses with Katherine Apps KC the sorts of law she thinks is needed to regulate AI and what can be learned from other areas of... Read more  

Episode 2 - AI and Law Podcast: Lawtech and the legal profession

In this episode Stephanie Boyce, the former President of the Law Society of England and Wales, discusses with David Mitchell the ethical implications of generative AI upon the legal profession including the potential for unlawful bias in its applicat... Read more  

Episode 1 - AI and Law Podcast: Introduction

In this episode 39 Essex Chambers CEO introduces the podcast series.  Katherine Apps KC and David Mitchell talk about  the issues they will be discussing with their guests about over this series. They also define what they mean by AI, types of AI and... Read more